Watching Gordon Brown so at ease at PMQs today, I was reminded of a particular character in the CBBC programme Hedz... a very serious man.
But when he enters his brown, brown house... well if you haven't seen it, here's a clip...
Written by Cheryl Smith, 27 February 2008
I am neither some lobotomized new labour cabbage, nor am I some tory drone, I am as yet undecided as to who I might vote for in the next election.
Comparison of polls taken in the 1980s with polls taken today is meaningless due to different methodologies involoved. (note: no mention of US polling).
the next election is wide open
pip pip
Posted by: dave, surrey 29 Feb 2008 14:15:17
Effie: I'm talking about comparing old polls with today's polls. Not US polling with UK polling.
You do not get it do you?
These polls and pollsters are carried out in exactly the same way Stateside as they are here.
The same organisations carry them out, using the same methods as they do in the UK but use larger samples.
The only poll that really counts is the GE.
All the rest is propaganda!!
Posted by: Effie 28 Feb 2008 17:42:14
Absolutely Effie and I look forward to hearing comments on the SKY blog the Bristol Bottler when Labour win another term in office.
Why am I so confident? The NuCons should be miles ahead of the Government at this stage and they are floundering in the polls.
At a general election all opposition parties are scrutinised by the media and Cammers will not be able to get away with his usual glib statements and PR stunts.
Another leadership election will follow for the Cons will be on the cards and perhaps they may actually elect a leader of some substance, rather than a third rate former PR man.
Posted by: The Morning Mail 29 Feb 2008 09:31:29
I am having trouble with the link to this; I can't seem to find the original - is this a joke or a genuine piece from a children's show???
If it is on a children's show, then I object to anything that brainwashes children. I am in favour of children, from 10 years old, being taught about how politics works in a 'scientific' way - for example what words like 'democracy' mean and the names of all the main political parties, The Prime Minister and leaders of the main opposition, and some of the minority parties that are well known, but I would never say which party I support and if they asked me, I would tell them that I am not going to tell them because I do not want to influence their views or to make them think that the party I support is the one that they should support.
I find it reprehensible that children should be influenced in any way by any political party at a young age.
As they get older, as teenagers, then they will start to develop viewpoints on various issues whether it is global warming or animal rights or whatever, but I think anyone in a position of influence should be very careful not to preach or criticise a pupil or student just because their view doesn't coincide with their own. I think Children's TV shows, teachers, journalists and politicians have enormous power to influence people and I think they should never, ever, abuse that power where children and young people are concerned.
I have a very good sense of humour and can see the funny side of the 'Brown, brown house' - however, I find it totally unacceptable unless ALL the leaders of political parties are given similar treatment.
I actually think that Spitting Image would be a big hit with teenagers as well as anyone else, if it was brought back now. There is certainly no shortage of good material for the scripts!
Apart form the clever observations and technical brilliance of Spitting Image, what I like is that it took a pop at ALL political leaders, not just one - it also took a pop at Royalty, religious leaders and well known and pompous people of all spectrums of society.
But children's TV getting political is a big NO! No! for me.
Posted by: carol-ann, liverpool 29 Feb 2008 01:28:14
Effie said "The only poll that really counts is the GE."
By God she has got it...she has really got it.
That's what we have been saying...two years and counting to Bottler's demise at a GE....
Posted by: Philip, Bristol 28 Feb 2008 17:53:17
Effie: I'm talking about comparing old polls with today's polls. Not US polling with UK polling.
You do not get it do you?
These polls and pollsters are carried out in exactly the same way Stateside as they are here.
The same organisations carry them out, using the same methods as they do in the UK but use larger samples.
The only poll that really counts is the GE.
All the rest is propaganda!!
Posted by: Effie 28 Feb 2008 17:42:14
Effie: I'm talking about comparing old polls with today's polls. Not US polling with UK polling. So far as I'm aware most polls had labour to win the 1992 general election. The latest poll I saw had the tories 11 points ahead but this cannot be compared to Kinnock's 23point lead (as you did in an earlier posting).
Any road my final point still stands, the next election is wide open.
Posted by: dave, surrey 28 Feb 2008 16:57:44
think the by-election argument is unfounded, simple truth is tories never have won by-elections and probably never will. I also wouldn't read too much into old opinion polls which didn't apply weighting or filtering as modern polls do.
So far as I can see the next election's wide open.
Posted by: dave, surrey 28 Feb 2008 15:19:14
Competely and utterly wrong about Bye Elections. Tories did used to win them quite frequently. Check your facts.
Next opinion polls, if that is the case how do you explain away the fact that they use the same pollsters here as they do in the USA with the exception of one.
How did they get the opinion polls so drastically wrong three weeks ago in a straight fight between Hillary and Obamha?
Posted by: Effie 28 Feb 2008 16:06:40
I am biggoted!
I want an Englishman leading Britain & if you think where you come from doesn't play a part in peoples thinking, WELL what can I say?
As for Tony B! He talked better English than me & if you think back the Tories had become as popular as the plague because of their attitude to the public, Labour are now in that same place!
Cameron will win the next election not because of who he is but because people just NEED a change.
Posted by: T. England 28 Feb 2008 16:00:53
I think the by-election argument is unfounded, simple truth is tories never have won by-elections and probably never will. I also wouldn't read too much into old opinion polls which didn't apply weighting or filtering as modern polls do.
So far as I can see the next election's wide open.
Posted by: dave, surrey 28 Feb 2008 15:19:14
Effie!
Why did Neil Kinnock do so badly?
Because he was welsh! You know it & so do I!:
T. England 28 Feb 2008 13:29:37
No T.England, sorry to say Kinnock was a windbag although he did do quite a bit of good throwing out the likes of Derek Hatton and laid the ground for Blair.
Next as lot say Blair was a Scot, although I have always queried that, never-the-less he was elected big-style and three times on the trot. So I doubt if nationality would come into it with the exception of the biggoted.
I think Brown will win because I do not think there are sufficient people with enough faith in Cameron's ability to become a credible PM.
He is not PM material just a PR man.
And even less people trust Gideon Osborne.
Only the besotted support Cameron a lot see him as a spiv others as a chancer quite a number a toff and one hell of a lot as a shallow, Vacous, unprincipled flip-flopper.
That is why he has lost the only three bye elections he has taken part in since becoming leader.
Bear in mind he turned the late Eric Forth's safe seat into a marginal and that could very well go Liberal at the next GE.
In fact so much so it would not surprise me.
Quite a lot of Tory gains they made in the South West the Lib-Dems are now hot on their heels.
So no and I am not being biased in this instance which I do admit quite freely to being.
I honestly believe Brown will win for Labour at the next election.
I just in all honesty cannot see Cameron carrying it off.
Bear in mind Gordon Brown was PM at the least two Bye elections which were both English and Labour won both with Lib-Dems second and Cameron a poor third.
One I admit was a Labour safe seat but that was not turned into a marginal it still is considered as a safe seat.
The other could have gone the other way but did not it remained Labour.
Posted by: Effie 28 Feb 2008 14:40:35
TJ Ireland
What about Basil Brush for PM in UK.
I suppose he’d be well enough equipped to sweep things under the carpets. Boom!! Boom!!
Posted by: T.J. from Ireland 28 Feb 2008 13:52:21
Effie!
Why did Neil Kinnock do so badly?
Because he was welsh! You know it & so do I!
Mcbottler the unelected WILL I believe have the same "Kinnock affect" because he is too Scottish.
Ill wait to be proved wrong!
Posted by: T. England 28 Feb 2008 13:29:37
Thats strange..how did Effie know my reply and answer it before it was posted....
Hmmmmmmmmmm??
Posted by: Philip, Bristol 28 Feb 2008 13:14:52
Effie.....awwwwwwww...you do make me smile....:)
Posted by: Philip, Bristol 28 Feb 2008 13:12:04
Effie is doing a NuLab favourite ploy...asking questions and making assumptive conclusions from tenuous "facts"...it gets so boring after a while....it is very simple...
Bottler has another two years unless he goes sooner. He won't because he is a shallow selfish man who wanted it and will keep it to the death.
Then we will have a real election and either Effie and the NuLab trolls will be proved right or the rest of us will be.
Personally I can't wait but I know I will have to....Bottler has the precious and he ain't giving it up.
Posted by: Philip, Bristol 28 Feb 2008 12:56:04
The Bristol Bottler strikes again!!
He is now advising people not to answer questions.
What's wrong with this West Country Yokel?
Does he not know the facts?
Methinks he is scared of them!!
Posted by: Effie 28 Feb 2008 12:54:18
This whole country has to endure him for another two years. No wonder sales of Prozac are shooting up. Two more years of Bottler is a crying matter not a laughing one.
Posted by: Philip, Bristol 28 Feb 2008 10:42:21
Philip, I have asked this question on another thread.
People have had a chance to vote in bye elections three times since Chameron has been leader.
Can you furnish me with the results of all three?
How many did he win?
How many did he come second?
How many did he come third?
I have also put this on another thread have you read the attacks that have started up again about Cameron?
Lord Tebbit whom a lot of Tory's will pay attention to has started it once again.
Are you aware that there is rumblings once more within the Tory party about Chameron's leadership?
And last but not least you think because you do not like Brown-et al that people will not vote for him.
You are constantly being reminded differently but it never seems to sink in.
Party's do not win power in this Country.
Governments loose it.
David Cameron has not got a snowballs chance in hell of reducing the Labour majority at the next GE.
What's more if he does not win he will go, that is the nature of the Tory beast, the men in grey suits will oust him.
I can tell by just reading small parts of your ramblings that you have not scratched the surface of politics.
For Chameron to stand any chances of winning at the next elections his ratings should be standing in double digits now they are not.
Neil Kinnock got ratings of up to 23% ahead of the Tory when Thatcher was at her most unpopular. He still went on to loose.
Please do not bother to answer, just furnish me with the results I asked for,as I have no patience with you.
I will debate with you when you become more mature and that day is light years away.!!
Posted by: Effie 28 Feb 2008 12:22:05
Effie
This whole country has to endure him for another two years. No wonder sales of Prozac are shooting up. Two more years of Bottler is a crying matter not a laughing one.
Posted by: Philip, Bristol 28 Feb 2008 10:42:21
TJ Ireland
What about Basil Brush for PM in UK.
Posted by: Elizabeth Davies Cape Town 28 Feb 2008 10:25:33
Great to see good humour in the blogs.
Speaking of which, Irelands entrant for this years 'Eurovision Song Contest' is a glove puppet called 'Dustin the Turkey'
He was voted favourite by the Irish public; and whats more judging by the betting patterns he has a good chance of winning the competion.
There's word that if he does do well, that he will seek election at our next General Election. Our politicians are said to be running scared!!
and so they should. He would probably win. Couldn't be worse than what's in now!!!(and could be applicable anywhere)
Posted by: T.J. from Ireland 28 Feb 2008 10:09:37
Really comical and I bet he was blowing the bubble gum instead of giving the proverbial 2 fingers to Chameron who has no option but to endure him for another "TWO YEARS" and try and salvage his slipping poll ratings along with the whispering campaign which has started up yet again with the Tory Euro headbangers. HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!
Posted by: Effie 28 Feb 2008 09:55:10
Bottler a laughing stock eh? Surely not.....
Posted by: Philip, Bristol 28 Feb 2008 09:19:08
Far more entertaining than watching the P.M. live!
Posted by: Merv. Beszant, Dubai 28 Feb 2008 08:09:39
LOL. Very good, two thumbs up!
Posted by: Big Dave 28 Feb 2008 08:09:18
Mc bottler the unelected isn't just a silly man but a very naughty boy!
He is in the house when WE should have had a say whether or not he lives there & because Britain isn't really his to do as he pleases he isn't bothered about giving Britain away to the monster MPs call the EU.
On top of this he invites his unelected friends round to make up crazy lefty ideas to frustrate & agrovate the general population.
Just like naughty children Mc bottler the unelected & his friends take no notice of what the public really want & just do what suits them!
Roll on a FAIR election to put these unfair people in there place!
Posted by: T. England 28 Feb 2008 07:55:22
He,he,he. Best laugh I have had for a while. His old boss Mr Plod outside No 10 was pretty good too.
Posted by: Elizabeth Davies Cape Town 28 Feb 2008 04:58:23
Oh look its [Timmy Mallet] & [The Laughing Policeman]
Posted by: Khalid 27 Feb 2008 21:13:58
Brilliant!!!
Posted by: Pete, Scotland 27 Feb 2008 20:16:04
Absolutely hysterically funny!! If Blundering Mr.Bean
is more at ease in the 'House'
its probably 'cos he's getting 'free' acting and elocution classes from some 'luvvie'. Do I sound bitter?? Not bovvered!!
Posted by: ruselle gardiner Toronto,Canada 27 Feb 2008 19:20:37